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		<title>By: billwg</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/thanks-for-the-3700-linux/#comment-46379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[billwg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fallacy here is that someone will buy a new copy of Windows every 2 years for an extended period.  That almost never happens, statistically at least.  A couple of hundred million copies of Windows are sold annually, but less than 1% of them are sold individually at retail.  The rest come as part of the purchase of a new computer and are free.  Albeit their use is restricted to the computer that they came with, they still do not cost the buyer any amount of money that could be saved by using Linux instead.

If you compare the prices for computers that come pre-installed with Linux, you can see that the Windows computers are actually less expensive and you could very well be paying thousands of dollars more over a lifetime for Linux in this situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fallacy here is that someone will buy a new copy of Windows every 2 years for an extended period.  That almost never happens, statistically at least.  A couple of hundred million copies of Windows are sold annually, but less than 1% of them are sold individually at retail.  The rest come as part of the purchase of a new computer and are free.  Albeit their use is restricted to the computer that they came with, they still do not cost the buyer any amount of money that could be saved by using Linux instead.</p>
<p>If you compare the prices for computers that come pre-installed with Linux, you can see that the Windows computers are actually less expensive and you could very well be paying thousands of dollars more over a lifetime for Linux in this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrius Bentkus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrius Bentkus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see a lot of university dudes using macosx. The funny thing though is that most of make heavy use of VI and Emacs and other posix compatible console tools. I wonder, why do they buy these ueberexpensive machines if they could buy a cheap one with linux and still be able to use all the console stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of university dudes using macosx. The funny thing though is that most of make heavy use of VI and Emacs and other posix compatible console tools. I wonder, why do they buy these ueberexpensive machines if they could buy a cheap one with linux and still be able to use all the console stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Links 9/11/2010: GNOME Shell 2.91.2 Released, Linux Pre-Installed Advice &#124; Techrights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links 9/11/2010: GNOME Shell 2.91.2 Released, Linux Pre-Installed Advice &#124; Techrights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Thanks for the $3700, Linux  I have a fun question for Linux users today: What will you do with your US$3700? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thanks for the $3700, Linux  I have a fun question for Linux users today: What will you do with your US$3700? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Armor Nick</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/thanks-for-the-3700-linux/#comment-46298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armor Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has to be taken relatively. While I agree that a Windows license costs a lot of money, I can count the people who actually legally buy the &#039;new Windows&#039; on one hand. I think it&#039;s more about the hardware: you have to upgrade your pc every few years to be able to run that new software. Also, a lot of free software is also available for Windows so that argument about the paid software is mostly irrelevant.

Macs however. period ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be taken relatively. While I agree that a Windows license costs a lot of money, I can count the people who actually legally buy the &#8216;new Windows&#8217; on one hand. I think it&#8217;s more about the hardware: you have to upgrade your pc every few years to be able to run that new software. Also, a lot of free software is also available for Windows so that argument about the paid software is mostly irrelevant.</p>
<p>Macs however. period <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: koleoptero</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[koleoptero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You forgot to take into account that in order to use every new version of Windows you&#039;ll need another shitload of money for hardware upgrades every two years as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to take into account that in order to use every new version of Windows you&#8217;ll need another shitload of money for hardware upgrades every two years as well.</p>
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		<title>By: keithpeter</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/thanks-for-the-3700-linux/#comment-46290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[keithpeter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#conkeh has made an important point here.

My desktop runs Ubuntu studio and has inkscape, scribus, openoffice and Lyx in daily use, not to mention GIMP and Hugin panorama software. So paid for versions would be something like Quark Xpress, Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop (or Photoshop Elements). Not much change out of £1000 there, and upgrades every 3 years or so.

My laptop has Puredyne (a media distro based on Ubuntu) with (in weekly use) Ardour and plugins, Pure Data, and the humble Audacity. Paid for would be Logic, purchased plugins, MSP Max and something like sound edit 16 or the later versions. That&#039;s another $1000+ with upgrades every 5 years or so (musicians are conservative with their software).

I feel richer already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#conkeh has made an important point here.</p>
<p>My desktop runs Ubuntu studio and has inkscape, scribus, openoffice and Lyx in daily use, not to mention GIMP and Hugin panorama software. So paid for versions would be something like Quark Xpress, Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop (or Photoshop Elements). Not much change out of £1000 there, and upgrades every 3 years or so.</p>
<p>My laptop has Puredyne (a media distro based on Ubuntu) with (in weekly use) Ardour and plugins, Pure Data, and the humble Audacity. Paid for would be Logic, purchased plugins, MSP Max and something like sound edit 16 or the later versions. That&#8217;s another $1000+ with upgrades every 5 years or so (musicians are conservative with their software).</p>
<p>I feel richer already.</p>
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		<title>By: spicedreams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spicedreams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually XP SP3 is not current- mainstream support for all XP versions ceased in April 2009 (read very carefully at http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&amp;C2=1173) 

I agree though that XP SP3 with care will be usable for a long time on your existing hardware, and I have some existing hardware I hope will last a long time. 

However when the hardware breaks, I suspect that some components will be hard to replace with new equivalents with drivers for XP, and that may force me off the platform. 

I&#039;m just hoping that by then, Wine will have cracked running Dragon Dictate. I think that&#039;s the only Windows application I care at the moment. 

by the way in calculating costs, the article omits the very real and extensive costs of time to replace your OS and resolve the resulting application issues. I did a big upgrade a few years ago- several thousand PCs to Windows XP- and the services costs exceeded the hardware and software costs by some way. If your OS (or your leasing contract) forces you to upgrade every three years, that&#039;s a heck of a lot of cost to amortise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually XP SP3 is not current- mainstream support for all XP versions ceased in April 2009 (read very carefully at <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&#038;C2=1173" rel="nofollow">http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&#038;C2=1173</a>) </p>
<p>I agree though that XP SP3 with care will be usable for a long time on your existing hardware, and I have some existing hardware I hope will last a long time. </p>
<p>However when the hardware breaks, I suspect that some components will be hard to replace with new equivalents with drivers for XP, and that may force me off the platform. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just hoping that by then, Wine will have cracked running Dragon Dictate. I think that&#8217;s the only Windows application I care at the moment. </p>
<p>by the way in calculating costs, the article omits the very real and extensive costs of time to replace your OS and resolve the resulting application issues. I did a big upgrade a few years ago- several thousand PCs to Windows XP- and the services costs exceeded the hardware and software costs by some way. If your OS (or your leasing contract) forces you to upgrade every three years, that&#8217;s a heck of a lot of cost to amortise.</p>
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		<title>By: raymond300</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s why skipping version exists :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why skipping version exists <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ajlec2000</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/thanks-for-the-3700-linux/#comment-46286</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve probably given that much to cardboard sign panhandlers during a similar time period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve probably given that much to cardboard sign panhandlers during a similar time period.</p>
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		<title>By: FreeBooteR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FreeBooteR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like has been said here already, it&#039;s not just the Windows upgrades your saving on, it&#039;s all the other programs you need to shell out copious amounts of cash for. It&#039;s not really about price for me though, it&#039;s all about the freedom, and trust. I like being a sharing free person, and i trust those in the GNU/Linux community to work for the benefit of the community. There is no sharing or freedom in Microsoft&#039;s or Apples&#039;s world and i trust them only to look out for themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like has been said here already, it&#8217;s not just the Windows upgrades your saving on, it&#8217;s all the other programs you need to shell out copious amounts of cash for. It&#8217;s not really about price for me though, it&#8217;s all about the freedom, and trust. I like being a sharing free person, and i trust those in the GNU/Linux community to work for the benefit of the community. There is no sharing or freedom in Microsoft&#8217;s or Apples&#8217;s world and i trust them only to look out for themselves.</p>
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