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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/ubuntu-10-04-filesystems-and-boot-times/#comment-43898</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EXT4 can be created without a journal.

mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal /dev/sdX

And EXT2 can be mounted as EXT4.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXT4 can be created without a journal.</p>
<p>mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal /dev/sdX</p>
<p>And EXT2 can be mounted as EXT4.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/ubuntu-10-04-filesystems-and-boot-times/#comment-43791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see what the fuss is about.
My Ubintu Server takes Five Minutes to boot from a USB key.

I have 4 x 2Tb disks in a mdraid 5, so used a /boot on usb and a root and data raid5 on disk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what the fuss is about.<br />
My Ubintu Server takes Five Minutes to boot from a USB key.</p>
<p>I have 4 x 2Tb disks in a mdraid 5, so used a /boot on usb and a root and data raid5 on disk.</p>
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		<title>By: K.Mandla</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/ubuntu-10-04-filesystems-and-boot-times/#comment-43664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K.Mandla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bootchart.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bootchart&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bootchart.org/" rel="nofollow">bootchart</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: n3mo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n3mo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, what program do you use for creating these graphics ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what program do you use for creating these graphics ?</p>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulenmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just tested Xubuntu 10.04 i386, and there doesn&#039;t seem to be any slowness. I just created two partions, / and swap, and used ext4 for the /. No other speed tweaks.

It still used just over 250MB of memory after a fresh boot-up, though. Standerd Ubuntu uses well over 350MB on my netbook, too, so could you check how much RAM your machine has? Lack of memory may be causing the slowness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tested Xubuntu 10.04 i386, and there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any slowness. I just created two partions, / and swap, and used ext4 for the /. No other speed tweaks.</p>
<p>It still used just over 250MB of memory after a fresh boot-up, though. Standerd Ubuntu uses well over 350MB on my netbook, too, so could you check how much RAM your machine has? Lack of memory may be causing the slowness.</p>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulenmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AMD 3200 -- isn&#039;t that a 2GHz 64-bit CPU? I&#039;m surprised that even Ubuntu could be slow on that...

Then again, it&#039;s been a long time since I used Ubuntu on a single-core system. *eyes the HP Pavilion a1000 he&#039;s Frankenstein-monster&#039;d to life with a Mini-ATX PSU* I&#039;ll get back to you on that, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMD 3200 &#8212; isn&#8217;t that a 2GHz 64-bit CPU? I&#8217;m surprised that even Ubuntu could be slow on that&#8230;</p>
<p>Then again, it&#8217;s been a long time since I used Ubuntu on a single-core system. *eyes the HP Pavilion a1000 he&#8217;s Frankenstein-monster&#8217;d to life with a Mini-ATX PSU* I&#8217;ll get back to you on that, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ubuntu gets slower with each release.
It&#039;s pretty much unusable for me now on my old AMD3200 system.
What the heck have they done to this distro?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubuntu gets slower with each release.<br />
It&#8217;s pretty much unusable for me now on my old AMD3200 system.<br />
What the heck have they done to this distro?</p>
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		<title>By: Pogeymanz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pogeymanz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 17:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These issues don&#039;t test filesystem speed or responsiveness or IO speed. Bootcharts are confounded by the mount-time required for certain filesystems. If I remember correctly, it is known that JFS takes a long time to mount, but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s necessarily a slow filesystem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These issues don&#8217;t test filesystem speed or responsiveness or IO speed. Bootcharts are confounded by the mount-time required for certain filesystems. If I remember correctly, it is known that JFS takes a long time to mount, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s necessarily a slow filesystem.</p>
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		<title>By: peterix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 15:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You must be pretty lucky then :) Ive got three machines here that have these problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be pretty lucky then <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Ive got three machines here that have these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 14:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erm... I may just be being dumb, but ext4 took 33.31 secs to boot and ext2 took 33.48. That means ext4 is faster, contrary to what you said in your post. Right? :P

It is entirely possible that USB will be faster than a laptop HDD, mainly due to random access being faster. The actual transfer speeds between the two are usually about the same as well.

Have a look at these two articles from 2008. The flash drive tops out reads of 28Mb/s, and the average of the slowest (of the high-end range at that time - thats a mouthful) is 37Mb/s. However the real key at bootup is random access, hence the flash drive wins.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/usb-hard-drive,2015.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/notebook-hard-drive,2006.html

One thing you might want to do is to upgrade to a newer, faster, HDD. I upgraded to a 7200rpm drive, and the speed increase is definitely noticeable, fortunately the affect on battery life and noise isn&#039;t :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230; I may just be being dumb, but ext4 took 33.31 secs to boot and ext2 took 33.48. That means ext4 is faster, contrary to what you said in your post. Right? <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is entirely possible that USB will be faster than a laptop HDD, mainly due to random access being faster. The actual transfer speeds between the two are usually about the same as well.</p>
<p>Have a look at these two articles from 2008. The flash drive tops out reads of 28Mb/s, and the average of the slowest (of the high-end range at that time &#8211; thats a mouthful) is 37Mb/s. However the real key at bootup is random access, hence the flash drive wins.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/usb-hard-drive,2015.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/usb-hard-drive,2015.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/notebook-hard-drive,2006.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/notebook-hard-drive,2006.html</a></p>
<p>One thing you might want to do is to upgrade to a newer, faster, HDD. I upgraded to a 7200rpm drive, and the speed increase is definitely noticeable, fortunately the affect on battery life and noise isn&#8217;t <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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