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	<title>Comments on: Mingetty and dash</title>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulenmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look into DirectFB...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look into DirectFB&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: K.Mandla</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K.Mandla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. If you need ideas for framebuffer replacements, there are lots of great applications out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. If you need ideas for framebuffer replacements, there are lots of great applications out there.</p>
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		<title>By: damaged justice</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[damaged justice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[X has officially jumped the shark, and I&#039;ve jumped ship, at least on my oldest monitor. I won&#039;t bore you with the details, but I spent all day being buggered by the technofetishists who develop that piece of crap. I&#039;m not bending over any more for it. If it won&#039;t work properly with a minimum of fuss, it&#039;s no use to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X has officially jumped the shark, and I&#8217;ve jumped ship, at least on my oldest monitor. I won&#8217;t bore you with the details, but I spent all day being buggered by the technofetishists who develop that piece of crap. I&#8217;m not bending over any more for it. If it won&#8217;t work properly with a minimum of fuss, it&#8217;s no use to me.</p>
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		<title>By: yasen</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yasen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a _very_ lightweight getty, try ngetty:
http://riemann.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/ngetty/
It can run all 6 (or however many you prefer) getty-s in one process, and when built against dietlibc its memory footprint is almost nonexistent :)

dash is primarily intended as a shell for running shell scripts and not daily usage as far as I know. Living without all of bash&#039;s goodness is going to be a chore. Minimalism is great, but you shouldn&#039;t sacrifice (needed, useful, i-almost-can&#039;t-imagine-how-i-would-live-without-that) functionality in order to obtain it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a _very_ lightweight getty, try ngetty:<br />
<a href="http://riemann.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/ngetty/" rel="nofollow">http://riemann.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/ngetty/</a><br />
It can run all 6 (or however many you prefer) getty-s in one process, and when built against dietlibc its memory footprint is almost nonexistent <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>dash is primarily intended as a shell for running shell scripts and not daily usage as far as I know. Living without all of bash&#8217;s goodness is going to be a chore. Minimalism is great, but you shouldn&#8217;t sacrifice (needed, useful, i-almost-can&#8217;t-imagine-how-i-would-live-without-that) functionality in order to obtain it.</p>
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		<title>By: K.Mandla</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[K.Mandla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was my understanding too, which is why I picked dash instead. &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zsh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I hear a lot of Arch users love zsh though.&lt;/a&gt; I might check it out for use on other machines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was my understanding too, which is why I picked dash instead. <a href="http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zsh" rel="nofollow">I hear a lot of Arch users love zsh though.</a> I might check it out for use on other machines.</p>
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		<title>By: saniette</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saniette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of your problems with dash could be solved using rlwrap[1].
Would cost some extra memory, though.
Another very minimal shell is heirloom sh[2].
pdksh, mksh and the like should also be slightly lighter than
bash while having most of its features.

[1] http://utopia.knoware.nl/~hlub/uck/rlwrap/
[2] http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/sh.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of your problems with dash could be solved using rlwrap[1].<br />
Would cost some extra memory, though.<br />
Another very minimal shell is heirloom sh[2].<br />
pdksh, mksh and the like should also be slightly lighter than<br />
bash while having most of its features.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://utopia.knoware.nl/~hlub/uck/rlwrap/" rel="nofollow">http://utopia.knoware.nl/~hlub/uck/rlwrap/</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/sh.html" rel="nofollow">http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/sh.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m prett sure zsh is heavier than bash, not lighter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m prett sure zsh is heavier than bash, not lighter.</p>
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		<title>By: juandiego</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[juandiego]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[have you tried zsh as shell replacement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you tried zsh as shell replacement?</p>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/mingetty-and-dash/#comment-40269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulenmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dang, you beat me to it! :mrgreen: I was going to suggest that myself, and blog about it!

Eh, great minds think alike and all that, I guess. ;)

Btw, since you&#039;ve mentioned before that you don&#039;t like being forced to use HAL with the newer Xorgs, I thought I&#039;d point out this (long and thorough) discussion by folk who know about 1,000,000x more about it than I do:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214

I still don&#039;t like how packaging forces me to use HAL by default, but maybe it&#039;s helpful overall. Hmm...well, food for thought for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, you beat me to it! <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />  I was going to suggest that myself, and blog about it!</p>
<p>Eh, great minds think alike and all that, I guess. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Btw, since you&#8217;ve mentioned before that you don&#8217;t like being forced to use HAL with the newer Xorgs, I thought I&#8217;d point out this (long and thorough) discussion by folk who know about 1,000,000x more about it than I do:</p>
<p><a href="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214" rel="nofollow">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214</a></p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t like how packaging forces me to use HAL by default, but maybe it&#8217;s helpful overall. Hmm&#8230;well, food for thought for everyone.</p>
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