Things become clearer

Edit: Unfortunately, the images originally included in this post are gone, because of hosting problems in late 2009. My apologies.

My wild enthusiasm for Debian has abated somewhat after installing a Gnome desktop again, this time with the testing netinst ISO. Performance is much worse, and so it falls closer to Ubuntu, and farther away from the speed demon I got with the Sarge desktop.

It also has a small slew of quirks that I didn’t see in the earlier version. It claims it can’t find the network, for instance, even though I’m very much online and have net access. It also has that same slow-motion feel that Ubuntu has, and not surprisingly, looks a lot like it too.

Bootwise it’s nothing to crow about — startup rolls in around two minutes-plus, with a bootchart that’s very similar to the one I posted for Hardy. The two are not so dissimilar after all.

It’s a little disappointing, since I thought I had come across something that could challenge Crux, at least for ease of use, even if performance didn’t approach it.

But it does illustrate, to me at least, that much of Ubuntu’s weight gain is genetic — it inherits some of its bloat from its ancestor — the newer one, that is. I would still like to take a closer look at Sarge again, which seemed to have none of the issues of its newer cousin, and was a serious performer.

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5 Responses to “Things become clearer”


  1. 1 eazy 2008/04/17 at 6:31 PM

    About the offline problem, I remember this was caused by NetworkManager (integration) of Epiphany and Evolution. If you’re not connected with it, it tell them that you’re offline.

    I think there’s a workaround of that. Or you can remove NetworkManager and this should disappear.

    Cheers,
    eaZY

  2. 2 Henry 2008/04/18 at 5:06 AM

    Well, I dunno how much debian can really do about the speed of gnome, short of rewriting the whole desktop themselves. Distros are typically in the business of packing other peoples software, so whatever Ubuntus uses that is slow, Debian is likely to use too.

  3. 3 K.Mandla 2008/04/18 at 8:20 AM

    True, and I don’t blame Debian for Gnome’s faults. I was just surprised when I installed the earlier version and had a zippy little Gnome setup after working with so many saggy Ubuntu ones. So moving up to testing was another letdown. I had gotten my hopes up.

  4. 4 ikaruga 2008/04/18 at 11:47 PM

    Yeah, gnome is actually a walking contradiction — it’s designed to be simple to use, but the underlying code is bloated. On this computer, I was cursing ubuntu for running slow. I tried various distros, and then I realized that the culprit was (partly) Gnome… Try KDE — it’s coded with speed in mind. Even KDE 4 is supposed to be faster and more lightweight than KDE 3.


  1. 1 Two fresh systems « Motho ke motho ka botho Trackback on 2008/05/22 at 11:46 PM

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