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		<title>By: morfeo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rolling release?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolling release?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 03:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always wanted to learn more and more about Linux since i started with Ubuntu 10.10 maverick, and with my first boot i was like omg this is 100 times faster than Win 7! i hope my distro-hopping days end with Arch c:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wanted to learn more and more about Linux since i started with Ubuntu 10.10 maverick, and with my first boot i was like omg this is 100 times faster than Win 7! i hope my distro-hopping days end with Arch c:</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not Linux newbie, i have it running on all my PC&#039;s + manage our Linux projects / Web &amp; Email servers at work.

Surprisingly i have been a Kubuntu user for the past 3 / 4 years, after switching from Knoppix to Fedora to Open Suse i decided to give Kubuntu a go and havn&#039;t looked back. Kubuntu 9.10 is a great release.

Yes its the dreaded &#039;K&#039;ubuntu the one which has so many flaws and breaks at the drop of an upgrade (or so i have heard).

Anyway, I decided to give Arch ago about a month ago because i wanted something more &#039;bleeding edge&#039;. I was impressed!

The things i liked:
1) Minimalist approach
2) Rolling release ideology.
3) &#039;Bleeding edge&#039; packages including a Xorg / Nvidia drivers which i was really hanging out for.

Things i didn&#039;t like:
1) KDE-mod has lots of broken packages.
2) Arch repositories are no where near as large as Debian. Despite claims of a different approach (with ABS). There are still no where near the amount of packages available. Plus Debian has a lot more &#039;unsupported&#039; / 3rd party support. 

I couldn&#039;t find particular packages in Arch / AUR which i needed despite the website claiming that they were in &#039;Extra&#039; (this was after updating / cleaning the package database).

--
To anyone considering Arch &gt;

I think Arch is a good distro, i don&#039;t really see how installing Ubuntu server or even minimalist and staring from there would be &#039;much&#039; different. If you really want to go &#039;Hard Core&#039; nothing is stopping you edit the &#039;default&#039; files Ubuntu installs, after all it is Linux and you are free to do whatever you want with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not Linux newbie, i have it running on all my PC&#8217;s + manage our Linux projects / Web &amp; Email servers at work.</p>
<p>Surprisingly i have been a Kubuntu user for the past 3 / 4 years, after switching from Knoppix to Fedora to Open Suse i decided to give Kubuntu a go and havn&#8217;t looked back. Kubuntu 9.10 is a great release.</p>
<p>Yes its the dreaded &#8216;K&#8217;ubuntu the one which has so many flaws and breaks at the drop of an upgrade (or so i have heard).</p>
<p>Anyway, I decided to give Arch ago about a month ago because i wanted something more &#8216;bleeding edge&#8217;. I was impressed!</p>
<p>The things i liked:<br />
1) Minimalist approach<br />
2) Rolling release ideology.<br />
3) &#8216;Bleeding edge&#8217; packages including a Xorg / Nvidia drivers which i was really hanging out for.</p>
<p>Things i didn&#8217;t like:<br />
1) KDE-mod has lots of broken packages.<br />
2) Arch repositories are no where near as large as Debian. Despite claims of a different approach (with ABS). There are still no where near the amount of packages available. Plus Debian has a lot more &#8216;unsupported&#8217; / 3rd party support. </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t find particular packages in Arch / AUR which i needed despite the website claiming that they were in &#8216;Extra&#8217; (this was after updating / cleaning the package database).</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
To anyone considering Arch &gt;</p>
<p>I think Arch is a good distro, i don&#8217;t really see how installing Ubuntu server or even minimalist and staring from there would be &#8216;much&#8217; different. If you really want to go &#8216;Hard Core&#8217; nothing is stopping you edit the &#8216;default&#8217; files Ubuntu installs, after all it is Linux and you are free to do whatever you want with it.</p>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulenmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still have about 40 different CDs and DVDs of various GNU/Linux/Xorg/whatev mashups from my distro-touring days. :rolleyes: Didn&#039;t discover the glory of the USB .img file until my recent netbook purchase, and found I didn&#039;t have any other way to even partially liberate the machine.

If I understand even half of where Ubuntu is taking the internals, I like it. Once it&#039;s finally sorted out and as well-documented as the current inittab, xorg.conf, etc systems are now...well, it looks like it&#039;s going somewhat *BSDish -- firmly organized and efficient. Only with Linux&#039;s somewhat more extensive hardware support. (Yeah, I&#039;m looking at you, Xircom Cardbus-Ethernet adapter.)

Now, as long as Intel helps clean up and maintaing their Poulsbo chipset driver, and Canonical calls in a few graphics designers, everything will be set for the 10.04 LTS version to blow Windows out of the water! :mrgreen:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have about 40 different CDs and DVDs of various GNU/Linux/Xorg/whatev mashups from my distro-touring days. :rolleyes: Didn&#8217;t discover the glory of the USB .img file until my recent netbook purchase, and found I didn&#8217;t have any other way to even partially liberate the machine.</p>
<p>If I understand even half of where Ubuntu is taking the internals, I like it. Once it&#8217;s finally sorted out and as well-documented as the current inittab, xorg.conf, etc systems are now&#8230;well, it looks like it&#8217;s going somewhat *BSDish &#8212; firmly organized and efficient. Only with Linux&#8217;s somewhat more extensive hardware support. (Yeah, I&#8217;m looking at you, Xircom Cardbus-Ethernet adapter.)</p>
<p>Now, as long as Intel helps clean up and maintaing their Poulsbo chipset driver, and Canonical calls in a few graphics designers, everything will be set for the 10.04 LTS version to blow Windows out of the water! <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was an Ubuntu user for.. 4 months or so when I started using Linux. After Ubuntu, I went into a hell of burning installation cd&#039;s and checking out every distro available. I finally went back to the safety of Ubuntu.

After breaking Ubuntu (I&#039;m always messing with things), I couldn&#039;t fix it. I tried Arch, and after a long, non-clean setup, I got it running. But it wasn&#039;t the way I wanted. I gave it another shot, I reinstalled Arch. This time I knew what to do and I had this perfect distro. Stable, fast, and exactly my way.

I just purchased a new ATI card, and installing drivers manually (should have backed up..) I totally screwed up my system.

Installed Ubuntu 9.10 to check how it was like. I&#039;m running it now, but I&#039;m not happy at all. 3D performance is pretty much garbage, don&#039;t know why, it boots freaking slow, I don&#039;t like grub2 at all, I can&#039;t find out how to configure some parts of Ubuntu.

Hell, downloading arch again, never to switch back to ubuntu!

Ubuntu should have a more &#039;simple&#039; (checkout the arch wiki to find out what kind of simple I&#039;m referring to) underlying setup so experienced users can easily edit it!

And I love the usb .img from Arch. Distro switching costs a lot of CD&#039;s, even if you use RW&#039;s which tend to break after 5 or 6 distro switches ^^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an Ubuntu user for.. 4 months or so when I started using Linux. After Ubuntu, I went into a hell of burning installation cd&#8217;s and checking out every distro available. I finally went back to the safety of Ubuntu.</p>
<p>After breaking Ubuntu (I&#8217;m always messing with things), I couldn&#8217;t fix it. I tried Arch, and after a long, non-clean setup, I got it running. But it wasn&#8217;t the way I wanted. I gave it another shot, I reinstalled Arch. This time I knew what to do and I had this perfect distro. Stable, fast, and exactly my way.</p>
<p>I just purchased a new ATI card, and installing drivers manually (should have backed up..) I totally screwed up my system.</p>
<p>Installed Ubuntu 9.10 to check how it was like. I&#8217;m running it now, but I&#8217;m not happy at all. 3D performance is pretty much garbage, don&#8217;t know why, it boots freaking slow, I don&#8217;t like grub2 at all, I can&#8217;t find out how to configure some parts of Ubuntu.</p>
<p>Hell, downloading arch again, never to switch back to ubuntu!</p>
<p>Ubuntu should have a more &#8216;simple&#8217; (checkout the arch wiki to find out what kind of simple I&#8217;m referring to) underlying setup so experienced users can easily edit it!</p>
<p>And I love the usb .img from Arch. Distro switching costs a lot of CD&#8217;s, even if you use RW&#8217;s which tend to break after 5 or 6 distro switches ^^</p>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ Sorry about putting spaces in the URLs, WordPress assumed my answer was spam because of all the links. Copy-and-paste into your address bar, remove the space, and you&#8217;ll be good. :biggrin:</p>
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		<title>By: mulenmar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mulenmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Easy: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page. Arch Linux&#039;s Wiki is one of the best official sources of information I have encountered in any GNU/Linux distro.

With Arch, you don&#039;t generally need to compile things, they come prepackaged, but compiling and recompiling packages is, to me anyway, an order of magnitude easier.

However, there are a few pages from the Wiki that I would strongly recommend you read.

http ://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide
 -- Just that, a beginner&#039;s guide to installing Arch Linux

http ://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others
-- Paticularly the Arch_vs_Ubuntu section. Like it makes clear, there is a great deal more configuring to do

http ://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FAQ
-- Well, it&#039;s an FAQ, what more description do ya need? :P You might be interested in question 1.4: &quot;I&#039;m a complete GNU/Linux beginner. Should I use Arch?&quot;

Personally, I migrated from Ubuntu to Debian (what Ubuntu is based off of) first, because Debian uses the same package manager as Ubuntu does but requires more configuration. From there I moved to Arch, but I still enjoy Debian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy: <a href="http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page</a>. Arch Linux&#8217;s Wiki is one of the best official sources of information I have encountered in any GNU/Linux distro.</p>
<p>With Arch, you don&#8217;t generally need to compile things, they come prepackaged, but compiling and recompiling packages is, to me anyway, an order of magnitude easier.</p>
<p>However, there are a few pages from the Wiki that I would strongly recommend you read.</p>
<p>http ://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide<br />
 &#8212; Just that, a beginner&#8217;s guide to installing Arch Linux</p>
<p>http ://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others<br />
&#8211; Paticularly the Arch_vs_Ubuntu section. Like it makes clear, there is a great deal more configuring to do</p>
<p>http ://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FAQ<br />
&#8211; Well, it&#8217;s an FAQ, what more description do ya need? <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  You might be interested in question 1.4: &#8220;I&#8217;m a complete GNU/Linux beginner. Should I use Arch?&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I migrated from Ubuntu to Debian (what Ubuntu is based off of) first, because Debian uses the same package manager as Ubuntu does but requires more configuration. From there I moved to Arch, but I still enjoy Debian.</p>
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		<title>By: Cortux</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello

I am currently an Ubuntu user, I would call myself a newbie because I just started using Linux, coming from Windows, I dont know much about compiling and using the command line etc. Although I am fascinated about looking at different Linux Distros and would hopefully one day be proficient in the Linux world. Could anyone advise me on a way forward (learning) on how to use a distro such as Arch. We all have to start somewhere.

One thing for sure, I will never go back to Windows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello</p>
<p>I am currently an Ubuntu user, I would call myself a newbie because I just started using Linux, coming from Windows, I dont know much about compiling and using the command line etc. Although I am fascinated about looking at different Linux Distros and would hopefully one day be proficient in the Linux world. Could anyone advise me on a way forward (learning) on how to use a distro such as Arch. We all have to start somewhere.</p>
<p>One thing for sure, I will never go back to Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Xew</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Due somewhat to your blog, I switched to Arch from my command line install of Ubuntu. It was my 3rd attempt, but this time I didn&#039;t have any trouble at all. I love it to death, and the rolling release and the fact that my system is always up to date is incredible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due somewhat to your blog, I switched to Arch from my command line install of Ubuntu. It was my 3rd attempt, but this time I didn&#8217;t have any trouble at all. I love it to death, and the rolling release and the fact that my system is always up to date is incredible.</p>
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		<title>By: Probability approaches 1 &#171; Motho ke motho ka botho</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Probability approaches 1 &#171; Motho ke motho ka botho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kind of touched on this last year, but didn&#8217;t do a very good job, in retrospect, of explaining the phenomenon. Arch Linux draws [...]</p>
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