Linux Mint Daryna on 450Mhz K6-2, 256Mb

Edit: Unfortunately, the images originally included in this post are gone, because of hosting problems in late 2009. My apologies.

In my seemingly eternal quest for a reasonable precompiled distro for my hideous old laptop, I turned to Linux Mint‘s Fluxbox edition, thinking it might be an unusual enough variation from the original to solve some problems for me.

It did, but I committed a large error at the start: I didn’t do my homework. I assumed the Fluxbox version of Daryna would be a lightweight, stripped-down version that was aimed at older hardware.

But from my perspective, that’s not the case. Yes, Fluxbox is the default window manager, but there’s a lot of other stuff in here — both Xfce- and Gnome-based. So it’s not Fluxbox plus lightweight applications … so much as it’s a “best of” Gnome and Xfce, with Fluxbox as a window manager.

And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. A lot of people just prefer Fluxbox over other window managers, and use it as an overlay to the entire Gnome Ubuntu installation. If you’re one of those people, this version of Mint is probably ideal.

But if you’re looking for something that will help resurrect a 333Mhz desktop machine, it might not be perfect. As most people know, the reason to choose Mint would be to have a large array of preinstalled support software — Java and Flash and FuseSMB so forth — but the reason to grab the Fluxbox version would be because you happen to prefer Fluxbox.

Firefox is the browser (of course), but the file manager is Thunar. Mousepad is the editor and the terminal emulator is xfce4-terminal. GDM runs the login, Metacity is available, and quite a few other things are Gnome-based.

With that many of the heavyweights on board, system speed doesn’t compare to other, Fluxbox-centric systems. My start times were over two minutes, which puts it somewhere in the reach of Wolvix — the XFCE-based version — but slower than MEPIS AntiX and Fluxbuntu, which are closer to pure Fluxbox.

Desktop performance was likewise a little sluggish — Firefox wanted more than 22 seconds to appear, and still needed more time render. Thunar is rather quick, so it didn’t take more than three or four seconds to open, and Terminal opens in around one or one and a half seconds. That’s about what I would expect for something using Xfce and Gnome, on this hardware.

Time to install was rather long — something like three hours, after I stopped making dumb mistakes. That’s not uncommon for Ubuntu-based distributions on this machine.

Linux Mint wins points for polish though — it’s very pleasant to look at. The GTK theme, the Fluxbox theme, the wallpaper and everything mesh very well, and it’s a very unified appearance. It’s a tiny bit dark for my taste, but certainly not unacceptable.

Personally I put it second only to Fluxbuntu for a nice, clean default Fluxbox desktop.

Mint also has a few utilities that I would endorse for the Ubuntu side of the house. Personally, I thought a rating system for updates was a good idea. I can see where this would behoove someone on dialup, or someone with less experience, to determine if they want to update a package or not.

And I like the centralized configuration panel. I’ve seen something like this in other distros (I can’t remember which ones now) and from utility’s perspective, it’s a bonus.

But the real benefit in running Linux Mint over Ubuntu is that so many other things come preinstalled. Flash is already in there. Java is preinstalled. Mplayer is already on deck. MP3s play without installing anything extra.

There are some other nifty things available — tilda is on here, and so is conky. Most of the Fluxbox accessories are available immediately. (And also in the “nice touch!” category is the preset Linux Mint start/search page, which Ubuntu really should do too.)

But after that, I found the software rundown to be rather sparse. After Firefox, there’s nothing lighter. XChat, Thunderbird, Transmission, period. GPaint and GPicView, but nothing aside from that. Gnormalize, Brasero and Exaile. Evince, Abiword and Gnumeric round out your office applications, and that’s about the size of it. There are plenty of utilities and tools to get you going, and if you want to download something else you’re fine. But for default apps, that’s what you get.

And I feel obligated to mention a few other faults — like the persistent “Install” icon, even after the system is installed. And I found the right-click menu to be a bit overpopulated, since this version inserts most of the standard Fluxbox menu into a submenu of a still-higher menu. Fluxbox is overnested anyway, so adding another layer was a little annoying to me. There were other quirks, but they really had their roots in Ubuntu.

And other than those minor points I hold no ill will toward Mint. In fact, on a full-speed system with a little more muscle, I’d probably recommend it over straight Ubuntu to a non-computer-literate person — and this version if they seem inclined toward Fluxbox. Saving a newbie the inconvenience of installing things like Flash could be the difference between a conversion and a rejection.

But again, my suggestion would be to look elsewhere if you’re working with outdated hardware. Despite the Fluxbox addition to this particular version, it doesn’t strike me as lightweight.

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22 Responses to “Linux Mint Daryna on 450Mhz K6-2, 256Mb”


  1. 1 beranger 2008/01/10 at 5:42 PM

    Wolvix also has Fluxbox!

  2. 2 K.Mandla 2008/01/10 at 6:30 PM

    Technically, almost everybody has Fluxbox. ;) I used the XFCE version when I used Wolvix, which is why I mentioned it there. It wouldn’t be fair to give the impression that the Fluxbox version ran slowly.

  3. 3 tallman 2008/01/10 at 7:02 PM

    Linux Mint Daryna Fluxbox Edition is based on debian, not ubuntu!

  4. 4 K.Mandla 2008/01/10 at 7:29 PM

    Actually, I had a hard time nailing that one down when I was writing this. I went with Wikipedia’s Linux Mint page, which says. …

    Linux Mint is a Linux distribution for desktop computers. It is based on and compatible with Ubuntu, and shares the same repositories. While at the core Linux Mint is mostly based on Ubuntu, the desktop and UI are different as they aim to improve the user’s desktop experience.

    Emphasis is mine. If someone wants to clarify the relationship, I’m all ears. :)

  5. 5 thestupidestthing 2008/01/10 at 9:19 PM

    Interesting read. I use Linux Mint and the KDE variant and have tinkered with XFCE for an old system but I was waiting for the Fluxbox build to release (the final). Sounds like it won’t be what I’m looking for. As to that comment and your quote of the wiki, unless it specifies a specific version, ‘Linut Mint is…’ only necessarily refers to the main version (Gnome). Of course others are too, but not necessarily. There is a Debian version in beta but I don’t know about Fluxbox per se – I took a quick look in the forum and didn’t see a claim to either a Debian or Ubuntu base. And since it’s still beta they might want to hear about your issues. Some of your concerns about their application line-up might have to do with the fact that light to Mint-folk means fits-on-cd. And these ‘side project’ versions are usually projects of a community member, so the goal is usually just to make Mint look like what you want and then offer it up.

  6. 6 Clem 2008/01/10 at 9:41 PM

    Hi,

    It’s still a BETA and although the software selection is now definitely frozen I’m sure Shane (the maintainer of the Fluxbox Community Edition) will be interested in the bugs you mentioned.

    We made a Debian-based ALPHA and released it and we’ll be developing a Debian Edition in the future, but apart from that all other editions are using Ubuntu repositories and packages.

    Thanks for the nice review,
    Clem.

  7. 7 K.Mandla 2008/01/10 at 9:49 PM

    Right on, thanks for clarifying that. Cheers, and keep up the good work! :D

  8. 8 lefty.crupps 2008/01/10 at 10:37 PM

    “It’s a tiny bit dark for my taste”, writes the netizen with a grey and black blog… ;)

  9. 9 K.Mandla 2008/01/10 at 10:46 PM

    ACK! You got me with that one. Point taken. Well said, sir. :roll:

  10. 10 mandog 2008/01/10 at 11:04 PM

    This is by far the best fluxbox distro out there on a normal computer proper fonts the works.
    Very fast starting 40secs on my 4 year old computer,The Ubuntu version is very slow 55secs. and very drab. this is another winner from Mint in my opinion.

  11. 11 K.Mandla 2008/01/10 at 11:10 PM

    40 seconds?! Wow, that must feel like forever. …

    http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/video-25-second-boot-on-450mhz-k6-2/

    Just kidding around. ;)

  12. 12 Shuuu 2008/01/10 at 11:16 PM

    Try PCFluxboxOS TinyFlux !!

  13. 14 mandog 2008/01/11 at 3:49 AM

    My boot times are to a fully function able system.So my Arch system is slow at 30 secs?

  14. 15 r 2008/01/11 at 6:34 AM

    its not based on debian – its based on linux mint 4

    theres is a mint debian based alpha but that is merely an experiment and not the fluxbox version

  15. 16 nathangrubb 2008/01/11 at 9:19 AM

    my boot time is slow…39 seconds. I can’t wait to get some CDs so I can try Mint Fluxbox CE!

  16. 17 anjinsan 2008/01/11 at 3:57 PM

    It doesn’t just fit-on-cd. Linux Mint also fits on bootable USB flash drives. I haven’t made mine persistent, but it’s been very very handy as is and I’ve taken to leaving it in the car. The boot time isn’t too bad and it’s great having fully featured internet work on a computer that otherwise isn’t working.

  17. 18 Steve 2008/01/18 at 1:28 PM

    You say its not the best for a 450,256 but would a 900mhz,512mb be any better. I am trying to convince the wife to convert, the idea of java, flash, real player, etc included really appeals to me. I currently am running a debian system on a 500mhz,312mb and a 7gb hard drive which seems faster and better than our 900mhz,512mb laptop system.

    Steve

  18. 19 K.Mandla 2008/01/18 at 2:14 PM

    Most definitely. 900Mhz would be plenty fast for this, and the added packages will make it a very enjoyable system. Be prepared to tinker with it a little, to get it how you want. But when you’re finished it will be a very classy machine.

  19. 20 Kevin 2008/01/25 at 12:33 AM

    I have been searching for an alternative desktop for Window$ users for some time and have tested hundreds of Linux distros. Mint is THE BEST!!! Keep up the great work.

    For BSD fans, PC-BSD is the only choice.


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