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	<title>Comments on: Xubuntu plus Gnome equals &#8230; a metapackage</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/xubuntu-plus-gnome-equals-a-metapackage/#comment-49386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it&#039;s 2011 and I&#039;ve used Gnome 3 now (I think that&#039;s what the post above is referring to). I&#039;ve also used Ubuntu&#039;s Unity now too. Needless to say, Xfce seems to be the cream of the crop right now. It&#039;s similiar to Gnome 2, which I like, and it feels a little more compact in a good way, which I also like.

I&#039;d rather switch to Windows again than use Gnome 3 or Unity, and I was seriously considering it, but now that I&#039;ve discovered Xubuntu I&#039;m feeling right at home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s 2011 and I&#8217;ve used Gnome 3 now (I think that&#8217;s what the post above is referring to). I&#8217;ve also used Ubuntu&#8217;s Unity now too. Needless to say, Xfce seems to be the cream of the crop right now. It&#8217;s similiar to Gnome 2, which I like, and it feels a little more compact in a good way, which I also like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather switch to Windows again than use Gnome 3 or Unity, and I was seriously considering it, but now that I&#8217;ve discovered Xubuntu I&#8217;m feeling right at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Can Lubuntu hold the line? &#171; Motho ke motho ka botho</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/xubuntu-plus-gnome-equals-a-metapackage/#comment-43198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can Lubuntu hold the line? &#171; Motho ke motho ka botho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 23:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I rarely think of it as anything other than &#8220;that third&#8221; Ubuntu version. Perhaps my prediction wasn&#8217;t far off, at least for me [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I rarely think of it as anything other than &#8220;that third&#8221; Ubuntu version. Perhaps my prediction wasn&#8217;t far off, at least for me [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/xubuntu-plus-gnome-equals-a-metapackage/#comment-41571</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This could also work out opposite to what you expect. 

Gnome is evolving in a direction likely to alienate many Gnome users in the near future. In particular Gnome is about to make itself incompatible with Compiz. The Gnome developers (in their insufferable arrogance) think they can do 3-D better and have written their own integrated window manager &#039;muddle&#039; to run the new gnome-panel. Consequently you won&#039;t be able to run compiz with gnome. Early previews look clunky extremely boring and surprisingly ugly.

Now your opinions may vary. Maybe you are going to think the new gnome-panel is the coolest thing ever. But I suspect there will be heaps of people like myself who are going to look at it and go ... blech! OK - I know the new gnome-panel is only alpha. But I have absolutely no confidence that the release version will be any better because the approach is just all wrong. There is no understanding at all about what people find cool currently about Compiz. Compiz is all about ultimate configurability, fun and extreme over the top graphic effects. The Gnome people obsess about a consistent user experience (it is going to be mostly inconfigurable you can bet) and expect us to jump up and down and wet ourselves in excitement when a window minimises smoothly to the task area. No cube. No wobbly windows. No goldfish. And deprecating comments about &quot;bling&quot; on the part of the gnome developers indicate such things are likely to be regarded as frivolous and extremely low priority.

So in about a year there will be a lot of seriously pissed off Compiz loving Gnome refugees running around the place who will find the similarities between xfce and gnome (and the fact that it plays nice with Compiz) may make it exactly what they are looking for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could also work out opposite to what you expect. </p>
<p>Gnome is evolving in a direction likely to alienate many Gnome users in the near future. In particular Gnome is about to make itself incompatible with Compiz. The Gnome developers (in their insufferable arrogance) think they can do 3-D better and have written their own integrated window manager &#8216;muddle&#8217; to run the new gnome-panel. Consequently you won&#8217;t be able to run compiz with gnome. Early previews look clunky extremely boring and surprisingly ugly.</p>
<p>Now your opinions may vary. Maybe you are going to think the new gnome-panel is the coolest thing ever. But I suspect there will be heaps of people like myself who are going to look at it and go &#8230; blech! OK &#8211; I know the new gnome-panel is only alpha. But I have absolutely no confidence that the release version will be any better because the approach is just all wrong. There is no understanding at all about what people find cool currently about Compiz. Compiz is all about ultimate configurability, fun and extreme over the top graphic effects. The Gnome people obsess about a consistent user experience (it is going to be mostly inconfigurable you can bet) and expect us to jump up and down and wet ourselves in excitement when a window minimises smoothly to the task area. No cube. No wobbly windows. No goldfish. And deprecating comments about &#8220;bling&#8221; on the part of the gnome developers indicate such things are likely to be regarded as frivolous and extremely low priority.</p>
<p>So in about a year there will be a lot of seriously pissed off Compiz loving Gnome refugees running around the place who will find the similarities between xfce and gnome (and the fact that it plays nice with Compiz) may make it exactly what they are looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Catre-Vandis</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/xubuntu-plus-gnome-equals-a-metapackage/#comment-37126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jose Catre-Vandis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a bit round the other way ;) My install of Xubuntu requires many apps from gnome in order to fulfil all of my needs (starts flame war on not having to do this but use GTK apps!) Fact is I &quot;grew up&quot; on Gnome with Ubuntu but have now switched to xfce for speed and fun, but have to install plenty of the mainstream Gnome/KDE apps to get where I want to go every day.

Would be best to have a great stripped down, functional and speedy desktop you can build your own with - Ubuntu from Scratch starting with xfce of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bit round the other way <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  My install of Xubuntu requires many apps from gnome in order to fulfil all of my needs (starts flame war on not having to do this but use GTK apps!) Fact is I &#8220;grew up&#8221; on Gnome with Ubuntu but have now switched to xfce for speed and fun, but have to install plenty of the mainstream Gnome/KDE apps to get where I want to go every day.</p>
<p>Would be best to have a great stripped down, functional and speedy desktop you can build your own with &#8211; Ubuntu from Scratch starting with xfce of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Small</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Small]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What can you say, but hang on to the old iso&#039;s ? ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can you say, but hang on to the old iso&#8217;s ? <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rene Pawlitzek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rene Pawlitzek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am also disappointed with the latest Xubuntu release. 6.06 LTS was lovely, true lightweight. Fast, really fast. 8.04 has changed that. 
Rene]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also disappointed with the latest Xubuntu release. 6.06 LTS was lovely, true lightweight. Fast, really fast. 8.04 has changed that.<br />
Rene</p>
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		<title>By: wariola</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/xubuntu-plus-gnome-equals-a-metapackage/#comment-18690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wariola]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s only 1 reason I use Xubuntu over Zenwalk and Vector: Wireless Driver. But it is just heavy and put a big load to my old notebook. Besides theres no support for SAMBA.

If the direction that xubuntu is going is more gnome-ish, well count me out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s only 1 reason I use Xubuntu over Zenwalk and Vector: Wireless Driver. But it is just heavy and put a big load to my old notebook. Besides theres no support for SAMBA.</p>
<p>If the direction that xubuntu is going is more gnome-ish, well count me out.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/xubuntu-plus-gnome-equals-a-metapackage/#comment-18619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using GTK applications is good. Using GNOME applications is not. Xubuntu needs to look long and hard at its application choice, and make a firm commitment to being lighter and not tied to gnome. 

Using GTK applications as much as possible makes sense, given that is the toolkit of the DE. 

I hope they figure out their identity, and fast. This should have been figured out when the project started, not three releases into it, or however many it has been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using GTK applications is good. Using GNOME applications is not. Xubuntu needs to look long and hard at its application choice, and make a firm commitment to being lighter and not tied to gnome. </p>
<p>Using GTK applications as much as possible makes sense, given that is the toolkit of the DE. </p>
<p>I hope they figure out their identity, and fast. This should have been figured out when the project started, not three releases into it, or however many it has been.</p>
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		<title>By: trans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe embrace the change? I mean ultimately, isn&#039;t it good that Xubuntu becomes one with Ubuntu? Don&#039;t get me wrong, I like XFCE for it&#039;s lightness too, but in the end I&#039;d rather that developers enhance Gnome to be lighter-weight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe embrace the change? I mean ultimately, isn&#8217;t it good that Xubuntu becomes one with Ubuntu? Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like XFCE for it&#8217;s lightness too, but in the end I&#8217;d rather that developers enhance Gnome to be lighter-weight.</p>
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		<title>By: tuxicity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tuxicity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Gnome applications are you referring to ? I don&#039;t see any &#039;overdone&#039;Gnome apps added ? Or am I missing something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Gnome applications are you referring to ? I don&#8217;t see any &#8216;overdone&#8217;Gnome apps added ? Or am I missing something?</p>
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