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		<title>By: Handling Linux Trolls in Linux Help Forums</title>
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		<title>By: snake1990</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-37222</link>
		<dc:creator>snake1990</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do not type in all capital letters. It makes people think you’re yelling, and no one will take your criticism seriously if they think you’re yelling. Yelling actually makes your complaints less credible, because if you can’t find the caps lock key, then it’s no surprise that you can’t handle Ubuntu. And for god’s sake, don’t type in 1337. &quot;

I agree to this point that it will seem like yelling and many users will probably get annoyed.

&quot;Don’t tell us Ubuntu is ugly. If it was impossible change the colors or the wallpaper or the fonts or the theme or the window manager or the desktop environment, then your complaint would be valid. But saying it’s ugly is like complaining because your shirt is orange. If you don’t like orange, why in the heck didn’t you wear a different shirt?&quot;

I don&#039;t agree here u can customize Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows as well. Its very important for an OS to look good by default as that it what most people will keep cause most of the time the theme created by other users such as the ones on

http://www.gnome-look.org

r all ugly as well and do not look professional, in some cases do not integrate well, or r just copies of windows and os x.

&quot;Don’t tell us it doesn’t work. If it didn’t work, no one would use it. It seems to work fine for about 29 million times as many people as you. And that goes for installing too. Don’t tell us it won’t install because by golly, it installs for me. And don’t bicker about a text-based installer. Guess what, genius: When you reinstall XP, it’s going to greet you with a text-based installer. You bonehead.&quot;

I agree here to some degree, I agree about the installer thing and by the way Vista has a GUI installer ;)

Now as far as it doesn&#039;t work, it works if u r lucky to have very well supported hardware otherwise it doesn&#039;t work at all and for that hardware it really doesn&#039;t work. You r also forgetting some compromises linux users make for example some of them may ignore the fact there power management doesn&#039;t work and just live with it. I know such ubuntu users and there r many of them to and for them it doesn&#039;t work 100% either. Some people r so stupid they don&#039;t even know what hardware of theirs isn&#039;t working on linux.

&quot;Don’t tell us it’s not Windows. Of course it’s not Windows. If Linux were Windows, no one would need Linux. Better yet, if Windows was Linux, no one would need Windows.&quot;

I agree, anyone switching an OS thinking the new one will be like the old one is an idiot.

&quot;Don’t tell us you tried to install it for an hour and a half, and it didn’t work, so it’s no good.&quot;

Again I agree here as well that u may run in to some difficulties installing a new OS for the first time so give it a day or two on the installing part.

&quot;If you want to really tout your efforts installing Ubuntu, tell us you worked on something for a week. Or two weeks. People fight for months just to get their wireless working in Linux — and they succeed. So do that before you leave: Tell us you had no mouse for two weeks — that will impress us. Tell us you had to work without the left side of your keyboard for the better part of a year — we will worship you. But ranting about how Ubuntu doesn’t work because it wouldn’t install during your lunch hour is lame, lame, lame.&quot;

Now thats just stupid, why should someone go waste their time like that, most people have something called lives.

You want people to suffer for a month? Why? This is just an OS, its not like their going on a war to fight for their country and enduring torture for a month is impressive, people have better things to do then waste configuring wireless connections.

Here is what I suggest to those people, if u don&#039;t want to go back to Windows then just get a Mac ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do not type in all capital letters. It makes people think you’re yelling, and no one will take your criticism seriously if they think you’re yelling. Yelling actually makes your complaints less credible, because if you can’t find the caps lock key, then it’s no surprise that you can’t handle Ubuntu. And for god’s sake, don’t type in 1337. &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree to this point that it will seem like yelling and many users will probably get annoyed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t tell us Ubuntu is ugly. If it was impossible change the colors or the wallpaper or the fonts or the theme or the window manager or the desktop environment, then your complaint would be valid. But saying it’s ugly is like complaining because your shirt is orange. If you don’t like orange, why in the heck didn’t you wear a different shirt?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree here u can customize Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows as well. Its very important for an OS to look good by default as that it what most people will keep cause most of the time the theme created by other users such as the ones on</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnome-look.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnome-look.org</a></p>
<p>r all ugly as well and do not look professional, in some cases do not integrate well, or r just copies of windows and os x.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t tell us it doesn’t work. If it didn’t work, no one would use it. It seems to work fine for about 29 million times as many people as you. And that goes for installing too. Don’t tell us it won’t install because by golly, it installs for me. And don’t bicker about a text-based installer. Guess what, genius: When you reinstall XP, it’s going to greet you with a text-based installer. You bonehead.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree here to some degree, I agree about the installer thing and by the way Vista has a GUI installer <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Now as far as it doesn&#8217;t work, it works if u r lucky to have very well supported hardware otherwise it doesn&#8217;t work at all and for that hardware it really doesn&#8217;t work. You r also forgetting some compromises linux users make for example some of them may ignore the fact there power management doesn&#8217;t work and just live with it. I know such ubuntu users and there r many of them to and for them it doesn&#8217;t work 100% either. Some people r so stupid they don&#8217;t even know what hardware of theirs isn&#8217;t working on linux.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t tell us it’s not Windows. Of course it’s not Windows. If Linux were Windows, no one would need Linux. Better yet, if Windows was Linux, no one would need Windows.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, anyone switching an OS thinking the new one will be like the old one is an idiot.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t tell us you tried to install it for an hour and a half, and it didn’t work, so it’s no good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again I agree here as well that u may run in to some difficulties installing a new OS for the first time so give it a day or two on the installing part.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you want to really tout your efforts installing Ubuntu, tell us you worked on something for a week. Or two weeks. People fight for months just to get their wireless working in Linux — and they succeed. So do that before you leave: Tell us you had no mouse for two weeks — that will impress us. Tell us you had to work without the left side of your keyboard for the better part of a year — we will worship you. But ranting about how Ubuntu doesn’t work because it wouldn’t install during your lunch hour is lame, lame, lame.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now thats just stupid, why should someone go waste their time like that, most people have something called lives.</p>
<p>You want people to suffer for a month? Why? This is just an OS, its not like their going on a war to fight for their country and enduring torture for a month is impressive, people have better things to do then waste configuring wireless connections.</p>
<p>Here is what I suggest to those people, if u don&#8217;t want to go back to Windows then just get a Mac <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: exc</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-36117</link>
		<dc:creator>exc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you want to really tout your efforts installing Ubuntu, tell us you worked on something for a week.&quot;

You gotta be kiddin&#039; me!!!

If I work a week I can buy a pretty nice laptop loaded with whatever &quot;working&quot; OS I want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you want to really tout your efforts installing Ubuntu, tell us you worked on something for a week.&#8221;</p>
<p>You gotta be kiddin&#8217; me!!!</p>
<p>If I work a week I can buy a pretty nice laptop loaded with whatever &#8220;working&#8221; OS I want.</p>
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		<title>By: Dapper to Hardy fails me &#171; Motho ke motho ka botho</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-36107</link>
		<dc:creator>Dapper to Hardy fails me &#171; Motho ke motho ka botho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] want to infer Linux fails me, as someone quite slyfully mentioned in a quick e-mail. That would be somewhat hypocritical for me to say.  Possibly related posts:Goodbye, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: olczij</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-35813</link>
		<dc:creator>olczij</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope. abcbae5373 thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Pepe</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-35403</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me Pepe,

but this site is worth it to blame me personally (Peter Fink) for all the curses I screamed out installing ubuntu.

Go ahead! Make me loving ubuntu ;-)

After 2 weeks no homebanking no corel no netobject, no many other things, finally I&#039;m at 99%.

And windows? It took me 20 years to accept ... you guys know what I&#039;m saying!

And text editing to get the system doing what I wan&#039;t?? I&#039;m not showing pichtures to my kids when I want them doing things they use to forget during the days ! I&#039;m telling them words.. again and again and I love them anyway....

pepe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me Pepe,</p>
<p>but this site is worth it to blame me personally (Peter Fink) for all the curses I screamed out installing ubuntu.</p>
<p>Go ahead! Make me loving ubuntu <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>After 2 weeks no homebanking no corel no netobject, no many other things, finally I&#8217;m at 99%.</p>
<p>And windows? It took me 20 years to accept &#8230; you guys know what I&#8217;m saying!</p>
<p>And text editing to get the system doing what I wan&#8217;t?? I&#8217;m not showing pichtures to my kids when I want them doing things they use to forget during the days ! I&#8217;m telling them words.. again and again and I love them anyway&#8230;.</p>
<p>pepe</p>
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		<title>By: neko</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-35305</link>
		<dc:creator>neko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow lol great post thar
ive been on linux for several years now, and i was just such a guy that tried it and ZOMGTISBROKEITSCRAP then came back. &gt;_&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow lol great post thar<br />
ive been on linux for several years now, and i was just such a guy that tried it and ZOMGTISBROKEITSCRAP then came back. &gt;_&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: One who will go back to his RH9 install</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-33326</link>
		<dc:creator>One who will go back to his RH9 install</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubuntu is brain dead, much like Windows it wants to replace.  It does not install telnet/ssh by default and it asks for user password for everything that su is supposed to do.  It does not name complete if you have &#039;sudo&#039; on the command line, WTF?  I can list all the folders by doing sudo ls, which a moment before that I did, I know it is there, you just listed it, why are you trying to hide it?  Well because ubuntu is brain dead.  I have spent hours trying to get to functionality that I had with my RH9 install. But still not there yet. I give up. It is great to just type sudo apt-get... (when it works)P but I cannot stand brain dead OS. So I&#039;ll stick with my RH9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubuntu is brain dead, much like Windows it wants to replace.  It does not install telnet/ssh by default and it asks for user password for everything that su is supposed to do.  It does not name complete if you have &#8217;sudo&#8217; on the command line, WTF?  I can list all the folders by doing sudo ls, which a moment before that I did, I know it is there, you just listed it, why are you trying to hide it?  Well because ubuntu is brain dead.  I have spent hours trying to get to functionality that I had with my RH9 install. But still not there yet. I give up. It is great to just type sudo apt-get&#8230; (when it works)P but I cannot stand brain dead OS. So I&#8217;ll stick with my RH9.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/howto-leave-ubuntu/#comment-22780</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit I didn&#039;t read through all of the comments, but one did catch my eye.

To rebut the claim that Linux users cannot be productive, I think it&#039;s the little things that count.
I think one of the biggest time savers for me has been the ability to have highlighted text copied via the middle click. It&#039;s so small, you&#039;d not even call it a feature, just the way the system behaves, but it&#039;s awesome. I use it all the time.
For those who need to be switching back and forth between windows a lot, it can get in the way when the focused window is raised. I can easily set the window manager to focus a window without raising it. I can then read instructions from my web browser and type them into a terminal without having to fiddle with the window positions nearly as much.
On another productivity note, although the software is not stable, the ability to use Compiz to increase a window&#039;s transparency is just awesome. I don&#039;t need to reposition my windows at all to read text from another one: just roll my mouse wheel down, and I can see straight through it.
The ability to organise your work on separate workspaces is also a major advantage. You won&#039;t be distracted from your report by that flashing advertisement in Firefox anymore, and it does help focus your thought process.

The obstacle for productiveness in Linux is not the fault of any part of Linux. Linux, and every part of it, was built for those who need to get work done, generally working from multiple locations (even without opening a GUI, you have six consoles available to you). It&#039;s better suited to fast, snappy work, flipping back and forth (and don&#039;t get me started on our friend, the pipe).
No, the obstacle for productiveness on Linux is lack of integration with the rest of the world. Getting sent information in formats that we can&#039;t read. For some power users, there is no solution to this problem. All we can really hope for is wider adoption of supported formats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit I didn&#8217;t read through all of the comments, but one did catch my eye.</p>
<p>To rebut the claim that Linux users cannot be productive, I think it&#8217;s the little things that count.<br />
I think one of the biggest time savers for me has been the ability to have highlighted text copied via the middle click. It&#8217;s so small, you&#8217;d not even call it a feature, just the way the system behaves, but it&#8217;s awesome. I use it all the time.<br />
For those who need to be switching back and forth between windows a lot, it can get in the way when the focused window is raised. I can easily set the window manager to focus a window without raising it. I can then read instructions from my web browser and type them into a terminal without having to fiddle with the window positions nearly as much.<br />
On another productivity note, although the software is not stable, the ability to use Compiz to increase a window&#8217;s transparency is just awesome. I don&#8217;t need to reposition my windows at all to read text from another one: just roll my mouse wheel down, and I can see straight through it.<br />
The ability to organise your work on separate workspaces is also a major advantage. You won&#8217;t be distracted from your report by that flashing advertisement in Firefox anymore, and it does help focus your thought process.</p>
<p>The obstacle for productiveness in Linux is not the fault of any part of Linux. Linux, and every part of it, was built for those who need to get work done, generally working from multiple locations (even without opening a GUI, you have six consoles available to you). It&#8217;s better suited to fast, snappy work, flipping back and forth (and don&#8217;t get me started on our friend, the pipe).<br />
No, the obstacle for productiveness on Linux is lack of integration with the rest of the world. Getting sent information in formats that we can&#8217;t read. For some power users, there is no solution to this problem. All we can really hope for is wider adoption of supported formats.</p>
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		<title>By: joost_op</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_0_ 

Regards from sabayon core-beta tester.</description>
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